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Focus on Delivering Your Customers’ Desired Outcomes, Not Delighting Them

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Focus on Delivering Your Customers' Desired Outcomes, Not Delighting Them

GUEST POST from Geoffrey Moore

Now, let me be clear. I have nothing against delight. But the notion that it should be the goal of a business to delight its customers is folly. Delight, after all, is an evanescent experience that comes and goes pretty much as it pleases. It cannot be reliably evoked. More importantly, your customers, and particularly your B2B customers, are not paying you in order to be delighted. Indeed, while ostensibly they are purchasing your products and services, what they really want to buy is outcomes.

As Ted Levitt taught many years ago, while a customer may need to buy a quarter-inch drill, what they really want to buy is a quarter-inch hole. A successful sales campaign, therefore, starts with getting clarity on what outcomes constitute success. This is harder than it sounds. Success is seen very differently from the perspectives of the executive sponsor, the department manager, the end user, the technical specialist, the CIO, and the CFO. All six of these have a stake in the game, and you will need their support to establish an enduring relationship.

Now, to be fair, a lot of business as usual doesn’t call for executive attention because inertial momentum is already on the side of the desired outcomes. It’s when the customer needs to change the status quo that we need to develop a multi-stakeholder current-state/future-state roadmap for success. So, let’s imagine you are in the IT industry and you are looking to land a major new account. What kind of a journey would that entail?

  • The Executive Sponsor. The process starts with engaging the executive sponsor in a discussion of the current state of their business, what potential future state they may have in mind, and what “value traps” are impeding their progress. In this discussion you have the opportunity to demonstrate genuine intellectual curiosity about the dynamics of their company and industry and to propose connections between your offerings and their aims. The deeper this conversation goes, the bigger the opportunity space becomes. This, in other words, is where five-figure deals can become six-figure, and six-figure deals become seven-figure, for the outcome the executive sponsor really wants is to move the big rocks, not just to smooth out the gravel.
  • The Department Manager. Department managers, on the other hand, are up to their ankles in gravel and they need your help to deal with it. Once again, engaging them in an intellectually curious conversation about their value traps allows you to identify the outcomes that will make a real difference and to make sure you highlight them in your proposal and prioritize them in your implementation. The outcome department managers want is productivity improvement for their team, as measured by faster response times, better quality, and greater throughput. The executive sponsor supports this sort of thing, but they have delegated it to the department manager, and so do not need to be directly involved.
  • The End Users. The end users who work for the department manager are the ones whose behavior you will directly impact and whose buy-in you must secure. The outcomes they seek are improvements in their personal effectiveness and efficiency. Most frequently they are looking for relief from mundane repetitive tasks that a smarter system would just do for them in the background. “Free me from the stupid stuff!” might be their battle cry. With the rise of RPA (Robotic Process Automation), complemented now with GenAI (Generative AI), this is becoming increasingly feasible to deliver. One thing to remember with end-user communities, however, is that they mirror the Technology Adoption Life Cycle in miniature, meaning they are comprised of enthusiasts, visionaries, pragmatists, conservatives, and skeptics. Each profile defines successful outcomes in very different terms, so the Customer Success team needs to identify the adoption profile of the individual they are working with before they go about prescribing tactics for meeting their needs.
  • The Technical Specialist. It is not until you get to the technical specialist that you find anyone who is really interested in your product. This, in other words, is the first person who actually wants to see your demo. Demoing to any of the prior three stakeholders is typically a waste of time, at least until you can tune the demo to highlight the outcome they seek. But with technical specialists, it is critical to your success. They are often the ones who get to make the call between competing products that have roughly the same functionality, and you need expertise in both yours and the competitors’ offers so you can answer their questions with authority. A successful outcome for this stakeholder is to have a high-performing product to support.
  • The CIO. The CIO has bigger fish to fry, and once again, you need to be sensitive to where they sit in the Technology Adoption Life Cycle. Visionaries who drive digital transformation will care a ton about platforms to support the future and be desperate to free themselves from the technical debt of legacy systems. Success for them is a next-generation infrastructure that can help modernize their company’s operating model, and they will move heaven and earth to get it. Pragmatists can have similar goals but will want to proceed more methodically, looking for predictable outcomes that come in on spec, on time, and on budget, as confirmed by customer references that are in production. Meanwhile, conservatives are secretly hoping they can just pass this baton to their successor, and skeptics will simply dig in their heels.
  • The CFO. The CFO is likely to view success in terms of verifiable ROI, yet again with a Technology Adoption Life Cycle wrinkle. Conservative CFOs will be looking for “hard dollar” savings—direct reductions in out-of-pocket costs. Pragmatic CFOs will look beyond these to include “soft dollar” savings from productivity gains in throughput, cycle time, and quality. Visionary CFOs (and, yes, there are such folk) look beyond this for step-function changes in competitive advantage that would change the multiple of their stock price. What unites all of the above is that all these success outcomes have some flavor of “Show me the money!”
  • The Account Plan. As sales teams well know, every account plays out in its own unique ways, but we can do our best to nudge it toward our goals. This starts with prioritizing the importance of our six stakeholders with respect to the buying decision on the table. If we have to create or redirect budget, then we need to call high, but if we are simply looking to consume budget, then we need to focus on the middle management instead. So, as an account manager, get your team to rank order the six stakeholders and then focus your efforts on the top two or three.

With respect to those top targets, the next step is to get the team to agree on their Technology Adoption profile. This is super important because you only get a limited amount of attention from any of these folks, and you don’t want to waste cycles on messages that won’t land.

Third, once you get a realistic sense of the outcome that are driving the sales cycle from the customer’s point of view, you need to differentiate your proposal both by calling them out as key goals and then customizing your offer to ensure they will get achieved.

All in all, it’s not rocket science, but it does require patience, and most of all, it calls for you to genuinely engage with the target personas to develop a differentiating understanding of what they are really after.

That’s what I think. What do you think?

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Category Creation

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Category Creation

GUEST POST from Geoffrey Moore

Category creation is a critical success factor for start-ups bringing to market a disruptive innovation that calls for a new ecosystem, to support a new class of use cases, funded by a new budget line item. If the category does not form, the start-ups have no place to hang their hat. They can acquire early adopter customers via a bespoke project approach, but they cannot scale any further without help from the rest of the marketplace.

Similarly, established enterprises in mature categories also need to find new venues for growth if they are to break free from their value-investor-set market caps and create net new shareholder value. Whether through acquisition or in-house innovation, they, too, can have the challenge of category creation. So, in both cases, companies need to reengineer the marketplace in order to realize their ambitions. The question is, what would make the marketplace want to lean in?

Marketplaces are made up of ecosystem players, be they partners, competitors, or an installed base of customers. All these constituencies keep their eyes out for disruptive developments that could either benefit or jeopardize their future performance. The early adopters are typically motivated by the benefits, seeking a first mover advantage, while the early majority normally takes a wait-and-see approach, thereby creating a chasm, which in turn can be crossed wherever there is an urgent customer problem that is resisting standard solutions and thus warrants taking a novel approach to solve it. If the category does show it is getting traction, then all those wait-and-see pragmatists will begin to feel threatened by FOMO (Fear of Missing Out), and that is what creates a tornado of demand that puts the category permanently on the map.

Okay, so there is reason to believe that under the right circumstances, markets will support the creation of a new category. That said, we should not underestimate the power of inertia. Markets do not welcome transformational changes with open arms. Indeed, their default move is to deflect most attempts. What we need is a proven playbook. Fortunately, there is one, written some forty years ago, written by an old boss of mine, Regis McKenna.

The Regis Touch

It is hard to overstate the impact that Regis had on high-tech marketing, especially in its early days when it was trying to break free from advertising as its primary medium. At the time, the tech sector was just emerging, the bulk of spending was in B2B markets, the focus was on automating core business processes, and every buying decision entailed considerable risk, not only in terms of the product and vendor’s staying power but also in terms of the impact of the business processes themselves. As a result, advertising per se was not sufficiently informative or credible to drive purchasing. Regis saw this and, with the help of a talented set of consultants and communications professionals, developed a public-relations-led approach that successfully launched hundreds of new products and created dozens of new categories.

The key to his approach was a framework called the infrastructure model that organized the various audiences and constituencies that make up a marketplace in what one might call a ladder of communications:

Relationship Marketing Infrastructure Model Geoffrey Moore

Here’s how it works. The goal is to convert prospects into customers. In B2B markets, those prospects organize around three centers of interest—the technology itself, the impact on productivity, and the financial returns. These prospects get their information most directly from the media, the technologists from the technical press, the end users these days from social media (no such thing, of course, back in the day), and the executives from the business press. The agents of the press, in turn, get a lot of their information from opinion leaders, be they the industry analysts for the technical press, the influencers for social media, or the financial investment analysts for the business press. Those opinion leaders, in turn, get their information from their engagement with the marketplace itself, be they customers, partners, or competitors already involved with the disruptive innovation.

The point is, any claims about the disruptive innovation are verified and validated by working down this model, which means any communications program should organize around working up the same model. Skipping over any one of these audiences and going straight to the prospects directly—the way advertising does—is bound to fail because you have not got your references lined up and sufficiently informed to support and endorse a high-risk buying decision. Product launches and category creation initiatives, therefore, work up this ladder of communications, rung by rung, starting in the executive suite, moving from there to the product organization, and from there to the go-to-market team. That team, in turn, needs to start with educating the ecosystem players, typically with talks and panel sessions at industry conferences, then connecting with the opinion leaders, typically via one-on-one briefings that end up being two-way dialogs, and only then out to the media that will engage with the target prospects.

Category Creation Playbook

A lot of what would go into a complete playbook is product and market-specific, but there are audience-centric principles that remain relatively constant. The key question in each case is, what is it about the emerging category that would be of interest to this particular constituency? With that in mind, here is a brief take:

  1. Executive team. This team will value growth to boost market cap, something that participation in an emerging category can be expected to deliver, but it may well be reluctant to take transformational risk to achieve it. If this team is not 100% behind the effort, don’t start, as every other rung on the latter ultimately calls for investments that this team must endorse.
  2. Product team. This team has to be all in for a wild ride—and usually is. You have to pressure test their claims nonetheless, as they can often get over their skis, promising more than they can deliver within the window that matters.
  3. Go-to-market team. This team requires maturity and patience. The big sales commissions won’t come until the category enters the tornado, so for now, the focus is on creating a market, not harvesting it. That means paying deep attention to developing the ecosystem, including bringing along the installed base, helping to engage and enlist partners, and (oddly enough) encouraging competitors. The last one is important because, ultimately, a category is defined by a set of competitors, not just one company, so for a healthy growing category you need to have peers that are winning too—hopefully in target market segments that are distinct from yours.
  4. Ecosystem. These are the people your go-to-market team is engaging with. The sales team has the installed base, the business development team, the partners, and the marketing team, the competitors. The goal is to get everyone speaking from their own perspective to reinforce your story that something big is underway. One item of note: With respect to competitors, marketing needs to develop a narrative that has room for more than one winner while at the same time staking out turf where your own differentiation makes you the obvious choice. What you do not want to do is bad-mouth the other team’s products—that will create anxiety that will cause everyone to wait and see some more. So, save your sharp tongue for when you get inside the tornado—that’s the no-holds-barred battleground where a well-placed elbow can make a real difference.
  5. Opinion leaders. The goal here is to get conceptual endorsement for the claims you will be making via the media. Opinion leaders need to maintain their independence and do not want to shill for you or anyone else. What they do want to do is look intelligent and have something differentiated to say. What they want from you is enough context to do their job and no interference thereafter. In addition, opinion leaders want to share their opinions with you, in part to influence your future investments, and so it is just as important to listen and ask them questions as it is to present your own story. With respect to your presentation, demos can be useful, but repurposing a customer sales pitch is not, as this audience is not going to buy your product but rather is going to opine on the reasons why other people might.
  6. Media. This is the means by which you will communicate with the three prospect audience types—the technical team, the end users, and the executive sponsors. Each has a preferred media type—industry press, social media, and business press—and each of these types wants to be treated in its own special way. The technical press wants to talk about the product itself. They want facts, love demos, and like to talk to specialists more than generalists. They also are often happy to beta test products or get any other kind of advanced notice as to what’s coming next. Social media wants to talk about the applications of the product, and the ways in which it will impact end users’ lives. So demos can work here only if they are in service to an end-user story as opposed to a run-through of all the features and functions. The business press wants to talk about the “size of the prize,” the impact of the new technology on productivity, how it will reengineer bottlenecking processes, and thus how much trapped value it will be able to release. Demos are wasted here, but PowerPoint can help a lot.
  7. Prospects. When category creation is the focus, it is important to engage the three types of prospects in the right order. If the technology is outrageous, you need to start with the technical audience first just to earn the right to talk to anyone else. If it is not outrageous, then the executive sponsor needs to be your first port of call. The reason is that the other two audiences will actually be willing to meet with you to learn about the latest and greatest thing, but they will have budget, not permission to get new budget, if the executive sponsor is not on board. So a typical path through a major account would start with an executive from your company having a conversation with the prospective executive sponsor at your target customer, which would lead to a referral to the technical team to test your bona fides, and then on to the end-user team, to validate your productivity claims. Proof-of-concept projects are necessary at the very beginning, but one of the major milestones in category creation per se is to generate enough marketplace acceptance that future prospects will forgo these tests.

To sum up, category creation is an outbound communications effort to orchestrate a coalition of the willing across a laddered set of constituencies, each with its own set of interests. The goal is to build an inbound path of verification that reinforces the new category’s right to existence. Trying to shortcut the outbound process by skipping over one or more audiences will defeat the purpose, as any doubts raised this early in the game result in lost momentum that can never be recovered. There is no magic here, but patience and discipline are required.

That’s what I think. What do you think?

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De-Googlize Your Company

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De-Googlize Your Company

GUEST POST from Shep Hyken

This article answers the question: How can a company grow and outperform competitors without relying on Google search rankings or paid advertising?

What company doesn’t want to rank high in Google searches? When a customer is looking for whatever you sell, wouldn’t you want to be ranked at the top of the first page? Unless you’re willing to pay and advertise, you have to naturally get there, and that typically takes quite a bit of expertise and effort.

But, what if Google didn’t matter to your business? What if there were another way to get new customers without vying for high search engine rankings?

If you’ve been following my work, you probably know the answer. Once you have a customer, provide the experience that not only makes them come back, but makes them want to tell others about you. And if you want to make it competitive, like outranking your competition on Google, then out-service them.

De-Googlize Your Company Shep Hyken Cartoon

So, how do you out-service your competition? Here are five ways:

  1. Ensure your Net Promoter Score (NPS) is high. For those who don’t know, NPS is about the likelihood of a customer recommending you. The question on a survey usually is this: On a scale of 0-10, what’s the likelihood that you would recommend us? If the customer gives you a high score (a 9 or 10), they are a promoter. Depending on the type of business, don’t just feel good about the number. If appropriate, follow up with a customer and ask them, “Who would you recommend us to?”
  2. Find out why your customers would choose to do business with a competitor. This one and the next one come from my “I’ll Be Back” conversation to get customers to say, “I’ll be back.” What are they doing that you aren’t? If it’s something you should be doing, do so, but make it your own. Don’t just copy a competitor. Put your own spin on it to make it yours.
  3. Have a discussion with your team about favorite companies to do business with outside of your industry. Discuss what they do to make you love them. If there is something they are doing that would work for your business, do it. This is a powerful idea that can take you from best-in-your-industry to world-class.
  4. Ask customers why they left. If a customer is willing to share with you why they no longer do business with you, it’s a gift. Learning firsthand from past customers could help save future customers from leaving for the competition.
  5. Ask customers why they didn’t choose you. If there is a way to follow up with customers who you thought would do business with you but didn’t, take advantage of the opportunity. Their feedback is a gift.
  6. Measure how easy it is to do business with you. You may have a great product, and you may offer friendly and knowledgeable customer support, but is it easy to do business with you? My annual customer service and experience research finds that 71% of customers said a convenient experience alone would make them come back. Be easier than your competition, and you’ll win more business.

When you “de-Googlize” your business, you stop chasing clicks and start creating customer evangelists who not only love you but also tell their friends about you. The best search engine in the world isn’t online. It’s in your customers’ minds. Deliver an experience that’s so good customers don’t search for you. They remember you, return to you, and recommend you. That’s how you outrank your competition!

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Why Conversations Are the New Digital Gold

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The Big New Revenue Opportunity for Google, OpenAI and Anthropic

Why Conversations Are the New Digital Gold

by Braden Kelley and Art Inteligencia

I. Introduction: The Disruption of the Clickstream

For over two decades, the digital economy operated on a straightforward, predictable currency: the clickstream. Organizations built vast marketing engines, customer experience frameworks, and product strategy backlogs around keyword volumes, cost-per-click (CPC) bidding, and web analytics. If you could capture user search intent at the top of the funnel and guide them through a sequence of web pages, you owned the customer relationship.

That paradigm is experiencing an irreversible structural breakdown. We are witnessing a profound behavioral migration away from typing fragmented queries into a text box toward engaging in fluid, multi-turn dialogue with generative AI assistants. Whether users are speaking directly to Gemini on Android and iOS devices or consulting ChatGPT and Claude for complex decision-making, the mechanics of discovery have fundamentally changed.

The Death of “10 Blue Links”

The traditional search results page — dominated by ranked links, banner inventory, and sponsored listings — is giving way to synthesized, conversational answers. When users speak to an ambient assistant, they aren’t looking for a list of websites to evaluate independently; they are seeking a resolved outcome. Speech-to-text, natural voice interaction, and inline AI reasoning mean problem-solving happens within the dialogue itself, drastically reducing the need to visit external brand properties.

The Shrinking Digital Surface Area

This rise in zero-click interactions presents an existential challenge for traditional web analytics and performance marketing. As consumer click-through rates decline, brands face a dramatic reduction in their visible digital touchpoints:

  • Attribution Blindness: Traditional conversion tracking breaks down when the research and evaluation phases occur entirely inside an AI model’s context window.
  • Diminishing SEO Returns: Optimizing for keywords and site traffic yields shrinking returns when AI models synthesize answers directly without referring users to source URLs.
  • Loss of Direct Engagement: The digital surface area where brands can present their unique visual identity, messaging, and experience design is rapidly compressing.

The Foresight Premise

In any major technology transition, structural shifts create immediate information asymmetries. Every change initiative produces winners and losers based on who recognizes where value is re-aggregating. The primary battleground of the AI era is no longer about driving traffic to a destination — it is about controlling, understanding, and translating the rich context of human conversational intent.

II. The Blind Spot: How Brands Are Losing the Voice of the Customer

The transition from traditional web search to ambient AI interaction is creating an unprecedented intelligence blackout for commercial enterprises. For years, organizations refined their understanding of consumer behavior by tracking the digital breadcrumbs left across search engines, landing pages, and digital storefronts. As customer decision-making migrates into private, dynamic AI dialogues, that pipeline of actionable data is drying up.

This shift represents far more than a marketing disruption — it is a fundamental erosion of the qualitative feedback loops that drive modern product innovation and experience design.

From Keywords to Unfiltered Intent

Keyword search was always a compromised, low-fidelity medium. Users learned to compress their complex human needs into unnatural, fragmented phrases meant to nudge a search algorithm into producing useful links. The language of traditional search was structured around constraints rather than context.

Generative AI and voice interfaces have eliminated those constraints. When individuals speak to an assistant like Gemini, ChatGPT, or Claude, they express their needs with full nuance, nuance, and emotional framing. Consider the structural difference between these two modes of inquiry:

  • Traditional Search Query: best running shoes flat feet
  • Conversational Intent: “I’m training for my first rainy marathon in three months, but I have mild overpronation and a old knee injury. What shoes under $150 will give me enough stability without causing blisters on long runs?”

The conversational prompt contains rich layers of context: budget parameters, timeline constraints, physical vulnerabilities, weather considerations, and personal goals. However, because this interaction takes place within an AI context window rather than on a brand’s website or an open search results page, the business whose product is being evaluated receives zero visibility into the exchange.

The Customer Insight Vacuum

As consumer preference formation moves into continuous multi-turn conversations, brands are losing access to critical moments of truth across the buyer journey. This creates three severe operational blind spots:

  • Unseen Feature Trade-offs: Brands cannot see which specific product attributes, specifications, or pricing structures cause a potential customer to eliminate them from consideration during an AI dialogue.
  • Invisible Competitive Comparisons: When an AI assistant evaluates three competing solutions side-by-side for a user, the losing brands receive no signal explaining why the model recommended an alternative.
  • Obsolete Voice-of-Customer (VoC) Data: Traditional surveys, focus groups, and social listening tools capture lagging, highly filtered opinions. They fail to reflect the real-time, unvarnished friction points articulated during natural conversations with AI.

The Experience Design Risk

Without access to the rich contextual signals embedded in everyday user prompts, corporate experience design initiatives risk operating on outdated assumptions. Customer journey maps, persona frameworks, and friction-point analyses quickly become stagnant snapshots of an obsolete digital funnel.

To design meaningful, human-centered experiences, leaders must understand the authentic language and evolving expectations of their audience. When that language is spoken exclusively to third-party AI assistants, organizations that fail to secure access to conversational intelligence will find themselves innovating in the dark.

III. The Big Pivot: Monetizing Context, Not Clicks

Every major shift in technology redistributes economic value. As traditional cost-per-click advertising yields diminish under the pressure of zero-click conversational answers, the business models of the AI platform giants — Google, OpenAI, and Anthropic — must evolve. The next multi-billion-dollar monetization opportunity will not come from placing banner ads inside conversation flows, but from harvesting, structuring, and licensing the vast reservoir of real-time human intent being shared with their models every second.

Human conversation is the new digital gold. For businesses desperate to recover lost visibility into the buyer journey, aggregated conversational intelligence represents the ultimate strategic asset.

The New Revenue Engine for AI Titans

Advertising models built on static keyword triggers are fundamentally mismatched with fluid, multi-turn AI reasoning. Forcing intrusive sponsored links into a personalized voice response destroys the user experience. Instead, AI providers are positioned to monetize the output side of their platforms by acting as enterprise data brokers, transforming raw dialogue logs into high-value intelligence feeds.

By capturing how millions of people naturally discuss needs, compare options, and express frustrations, platform owners can package anonymized context into enterprise-grade analytics products that command recurring software-as-a-service (SaaS) subscription premiums.

Packaging the “Digital Gold”

This new intelligence layer will yield actionable commercial products tailored for product strategists, marketers, and executive leaders:

  • Brand Health & Recommendation Telemetry: Real-time quantitative dashboards tracking how frequently a brand is mentioned during advice seeking, the sentiment surrounding those mentions, and the exact contexts in which competitors are favored.
  • Unmet Need & Latent Demand Mapping: Algorithmic extraction of emerging consumer pain points long before they manifest in formal search trends, support tickets, or market research reports.
  • Decision Boundary & Friction Analysis: Synthesized reports detailing the specific trade-offs (price points, missing features, usability concerns) that systematically cause prospective buyers to reject a product during AI-driven evaluations.

Democratizing Enterprise Intelligence

The power of conversational analytics lies in its scalability across the economic spectrum. While enterprise corporations will pay premium tiers for custom API integrations and real-time category alerts, small and medium-sized businesses (SMBs) will finally gain access to market research previously reserved for Fortune 500 budgets.

A local bike shop or boutique software firm could subscribe to a regional category feed to instantly discover the precise features or price barriers driving customer choices in their specific niche. By turning unvarnished human dialogue into structured insight, AI platforms will unlock an indispensable revenue model powered by authentic human context.

IV. Human-Centered Change & Ethical Governance

Unlocking the commercial value of conversational data requires navigating a complex intersection of consumer trust, regulatory compliance, and organizational transformation. Because natural language dialogue contains deep personal context, commercializing this information demands rigorous ethical boundaries. The success of conversational intelligence as a revenue model hinges on maintaining strict user privacy while helping enterprises build the internal capabilities needed to act on these new insights.

Privacy by Design: The Ethical Imperative

Monetizing conversational context cannot come at the expense of individual privacy. AI platform operators must engineer robust data architecture standards that prevent the exposure of personally identifiable information (PII) while preserving strategic utility:

  • Differential Privacy & Aggregation: Injecting mathematical noise into datasets so macro-level consumer trends can be analyzed without ever exposing individual user transcripts.
  • Synthetic Data Modeling: Generating artificial, representative datasets derived from real conversation patterns, allowing brands to analyze buyer behavior without touching live user interactions.
  • Strict Brand-Level Anonymization: Ensuring that enterprise dashboards expose category-level intent and competitive positioning without revealing specific user identities or sensitive personal attributes.

Overcoming the “Surveillance” Backlash

Public perception will determine the speed at which conversational analytics becomes mainstream. If consumers view the monetization of their conversations as invasive surveillance, user churn and regulatory pushback will quickly follow. AI providers and brands must collectively frame conversational analytics around mutual value creation.

When customer intent data is anonymized and applied ethically, it leads directly to better product design, more intuitive user interfaces, and the elimination of persistent market friction points. The objective must be presented clearly: using collective, human-centered feedback to build products and experiences that better serve actual human needs.

Managing Organizational Readiness

Accessing conversational intelligence is only half the equation; corporate leadership teams must also transform how they make decisions. Applying the principles of Human-Centered Change™, organizations must actively prepare their cultures, workflows, and talent to interpret fluid conversational data rather than static web metrics.

This operational transition requires shifting leadership focus away from legacy digital KPIs like bounce rates, page views, and click-through rates toward modern conversational indicators: share of voice in model recommendations, prompt inclusion rates, and conversational intent fulfillment. Companies that successfully align their internal culture around these human-centered insights will build an enduring competitive advantage in the AI era.

V. FutureHacking™: Strategic Implications for Business Leaders

To navigate the shift from transactional clickstreams to continuous conversational context, executive leadership cannot afford a reactive stance. Applying a FutureHacking™ lens — scanning weak signals around emerging user behaviors today to anticipate the structural realities of tomorrow — reveals a multi-phase transformation in how organizations will make decisions, design experiences, and compete for market share.

The transition toward conversational intelligence will unfold across three distinct horizons over the next decade.

Near-Term Horizon (1–2 Years): The Rise of Generative Engine Optimization & Intelligence Pilots

In the immediate term, traditional Search Engine Optimization (SEO) will yield ground to Generative Engine Optimization (GEO). As organic web traffic declines, brands will pivot from optimizing page headers and backlinks to structuring brand narratives and product specifications so they are accurately ingested and cited by foundational AI models.

Concurrently, early adopter enterprises will join private pilot programs hosted by Google, OpenAI, and Anthropic. These initial telemetry dashboards will give brand managers their first high-level visibility into prompt inclusion rates, category mention frequencies, and overall model recommendation sentiment.

Medium-Term Horizon (3–5 Years): Synthetic Focus Groups & Simulated Customer Journeys

As the granularity of anonymized conversational datasets improves, market research will undergo a radical evolution. Rather than waiting weeks to conduct traditional focus groups or analyze retrospective survey results, product strategy teams will query specialized AI models trained on billions of real-world conversational signals.

Organizations will routinely run product concepts, pricing adjustments, and brand positioning messaging against synthetic persona populations. These simulated customer panels will instantly predict friction points, feature trade-offs, and competitive migration risks based on real-time consumer intent trends, drastically compressing product development cycles.

Long-Term Horizon (5+ Years): Closed-Loop Innovation Systems

Over a five-year horizon, conversational intelligence will move from a passive diagnostic tool to an active driver of automated organizational workflows. Leading enterprises will construct closed-loop innovation engines where real-time conversational data directly informs cross-functional operations:

  • Automated Backlog Prioritization: Product engineering roadmaps will dynamically re-prioritize feature requests based on unprompted feature complaints captured across category-wide AI dialogues.
  • Dynamic Experience Adaptation: Digital touchpoints and customer service flows will auto-tune their messaging and support options based on emerging friction patterns identified by ambient assistants.
  • Continuous Portfolio Alignment: Mergers, acquisitions, and line extensions will be evaluated using continuous, real-time demand signals extracted directly from human-AI problem-solving sessions.

By anticipating these structural horizons today, forward-thinking leaders can begin building the data infrastructure, talent capabilities, and agile decision-making frameworks required to turn conversational signals into market leadership.

VI. Conclusion & Key Takeaways for Innovators

The transition from transactional keyword search to ambient, multi-turn AI dialogue represents one of the most profound structural shifts in the history of the digital economy. As consumers speak directly with Gemini, ChatGPT, and Claude on their mobile devices and desktop interfaces, the clickstream era is drawing to a close. Waiting for traditional web traffic, cost-per-click efficiency, and search ad impressions to recover is not just an ineffective strategy — it is an existential risk.

The organizations that thrive in this next era will be those that recognize where strategic value has re-aggregated: away from driving website visits and toward capturing, understanding, and acting upon authentic conversational context.

Key Takeaways for Business Leaders

  • Acknowledge the Intelligence Blackout: Traditional SEO, web analytics, and click-through attribution models are providing a rapidly shrinking window into true customer behavior. Accepting this loss of visibility is the first step toward building modern, conversation-aware capabilities.
  • Prepare for the Conversational Data Economy: As traditional search advertising revenues face long-term pressure, Google, OpenAI, and Anthropic will monetize anonymized conversational data. Forward-thinking leaders should allocate budget now for emerging conversational telemetry feeds and Generative Engine Optimization (GEO).
  • Embed Human-Centered Change™: Shifting an organization from static KPIs (page views, bounce rates) to conversational metrics (share of voice in model answers, prompt inclusion, intent fulfillment) requires intentional change management. Re-align leadership, cross-functional teams, and innovation pipelines around these new signals.
  • Rethink Experience Design: Continuous multi-turn dialogues reveal unvarnished human friction points, budget constraints, and feature trade-offs. Integrate these real-time qualitative signals into your customer journey maps and product development roadmaps to eliminate customer friction faster than competitors. Invest in a Customer Experience Audit to find where you fall short.

Data was the primary oil of the early web era, but synthesized human conversation is the true gold of the AI era. By pairing ethical governance and human-centered design with the rich intent embedded in everyday dialogue, innovative organizations can illuminate their blind spots, transform their decision-making, and create products that resonate with authentic human needs.

Frequently Asked Questions

Why are traditional search advertising and click-through rates declining?
As users shift from keyword-based search boxes to ambient AI assistants like Google Gemini, ChatGPT, and Claude, they receive direct, synthesized answers rather than a list of web links. This rise in zero-click interactions significantly reduces website referral traffic and traditional ad impression volume.
How do AI platforms like Google, OpenAI, and Anthropic plan to monetize conversational data?
AI platform providers can package anonymized, aggregated conversation logs into enterprise intelligence feeds. By selling brand health telemetry, unmet need analytics, and consumer friction insights to businesses, AI companies create a massive new recurring revenue stream to complement or offset declining search ad yields.
How can businesses prepare for the shift from keyword search to conversational intelligence?
Organizations must transition their digital strategy from traditional SEO to Generative Engine Optimization (GEO), adapt internal change management frameworks (such as Human-Centered Change™) to track conversational metrics like model share-of-voice, and subscribe to emerging conversational analytics feeds to inform product design and experience strategies.


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Surveys Are Collapsing

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Conversational and Agentic VoC is How Loyalty Gets Heard

Conversational and Agentic VoC is How Loyalty Gets Heard

by Braden Kelley and Art Inteligencia

The Quiet Collapse of the Survey Layer

Something uncomfortable is happening inside customer experience programs that still treat the survey as the source of truth. Response rates are falling — sometimes sharply — even when the questionnaire itself barely changes. The invitations still go out. The dashboards still refresh. The air getting thinner is the percentage of customers willing to talk to a form.

This is not the death of listening. It is the collapse of a layer: the assumption that loyalty, satisfaction, and experience quality can be reliably extracted on demand through static instruments. Net Promoter Score is not vanishing overnight. Forms are not obsolete tomorrow morning. But both are being demoted — from verdict to signal, from system of record to starting point.

Organizations that built governance, bonuses, and “voice of the customer” theater almost entirely on survey completion are discovering a hard truth of human-centered change: when the method stops matching how people communicate, the method stops producing wisdom. You can still report a number. You just cannot pretend it represents the relationship.

The urgent question for innovators is not how to squeeze three more points of response rate out of a dying habit. It is how to hear customers in the ways they already speak — and how to turn that listening into action before loyalty quietly leaves.

Why People Stopped Talking to Forms

People did not become less opinionated. They became less willing to perform unpaid labor for brands that ask without reciprocating.

Survey fatigue is real, but it is only the surface. Timing is often wrong — a form arrives after the emotional moment has passed, or in the middle of a busy day when the only honest answer is delete. Reciprocity is weak: customers complete the ritual and see no change, so the next invitation feels like noise. Channel mismatch is growing: people already live in chat, voice, messaging, and short conversational bursts, while VoC programs still insist on a clipboard with radio buttons.

Underneath the mechanics sits an emotional job. Feedback, at its best, is a bid to feel heard. A form rarely delivers that feeling. It flattens story into score, urgency into scale, and dignity into “additional comments (optional).” When the experience of giving feedback is itself a poor experience, silence becomes rational.

Human-centered leaders should treat declining response as diagnostic data. Customers are telling you — by not answering — that your listening design is out of date.

From Scorekeeping to Sense-Making

Traditional VoC optimized for scorekeeping: capture a metric, trend it, threshold it, celebrate or panic. Sense-making asks a different question: What is changing in the lived experience, and why?

In a post-survey-dominant world, unstructured signal matters more — conversations, call notes, chat transcripts, reviews, social fragments, support themes, behavioral break points. AI makes synthesis of that mess newly practical. That does not make the score useless. It makes idolatry of the score dangerous.

The “why” can no longer be an afterthought parked in an open text field that nobody has time to read. The why is the product of modern listening. Scores become navigation lights. Narratives, patterns, and emotions become the map.

This shift also changes operating rhythm. Quarterly report theater gives way to continuous closed loops: hear, understand, act, confirm. Loyalty intelligence is less a research project and more an always-on sense-making system — still human-governed, still ethically bounded, but finally matched to the speed at which experience actually breaks.

Conversational VoC: Feedback as Dialogue

Conversational VoC replaces the clipboard with a dialogue. Instead of forcing every customer through the same static path, listening adapts — in the moment, in the channel, and in response to what the person just said.

That can look like a short adaptive chat after a key journey step, a voice interview that follows curiosity instead of a rigid script, a messaging thread that asks one good question and then the next logical one, or a human interview amplified by better prompts and synthesis. The common design principle is simple: treat feedback as conversation, not compliance.

Dialogue earns what forms forfeit. It can hold emotion without collapsing it into a single digit. It can clarify ambiguity in real time. It can meet people where they already are speaking. And it can make reciprocity visible — “we heard you, here is what happens next” — which is how listening becomes trust rather than extraction.

Done poorly, conversational VoC is just a survey wearing a chatbot costume. Done well, it is experience design applied to insight itself: respectful of time, responsive to context, and worthy of the story a customer is willing to share.

Agentic Listening: When Insight Can Act

The next leap is agentic listening: systems that do not only collect and classify, but can route, summarize, prioritize, trigger recovery, and help close the loop across teams. Insight stops dying in a dashboard and starts moving work.

This is powerful — and easy to get wrong. An agent that escalates a frustrated customer to a human with full context is care at scale. An agent that silently profiles, nudges, or “manages” sentiment without consent is surveillance with a CX badge. Human-centered innovation draws that line in the architecture, not in the press release.

Design stakes for agentic VoC

  • Consent and clarity — people should understand when listening is active and how their words will be used.
  • Privacy and minimization — collect what you need for learning and recovery, not everything you can.
  • Escalation with dignity — automation should accelerate help, not trap emotion in a loop.
  • Action accountability — if the system can trigger work, someone must own whether that work actually improved the experience.

Agentic VoC is not a replacement for human judgment. It is orchestration for listening: machines handle volume and routing; people handle meaning, ethics, and relationship repair. The brands that win will be the ones whose listening systems can act — and whose customers still feel respected while they do.

A Human-Centered Playbook for the Post-Survey Era

You do not need to burn the survey. You need to dethrone it. Here is a practical path.

  • Keep scores as signals, not idols. Use them to notice change; use conversations and behavior to explain it.
  • Build conversational intake at moments that matter. Short, adaptive, channel-native dialogues beat long retrospective forms.
  • Unify experience data. Connect feedback, journeys, and operational reality so insight is not stranded in a research silo.
  • Close loops where customers can feel them. Private recovery for individuals; visible improvement for patterns. Reciprocity is the antidote to silence.
  • Measure whether people feel heard — and whether action followed. Listening quality is an experience metric, not only a research metric.
  • Govern agentic listening for care. Decision rights, consent, escalation, and audit trails before autonomy scales.

Futurology in customer experience is often sold as more instrumentation. The deeper shift is more humane instrumentation: listening that fits human communication, sense-making that honors story, and systems that can act without making people feel managed.

Surveys are collapsing as the center of gravity. Conversational and agentic VoC are how loyalty gets heard again — not as a quarterly score, but as a living relationship that organizations are finally designed to understand.

Frequently Asked Questions

Why are customer survey response rates declining?

Response rates are falling because of survey fatigue, poor timing, weak reciprocity when feedback leads to no visible change, and a mismatch with how people already communicate through chat, voice, and messaging. Many customers still have opinions — they are less willing to share them through static forms.

What is conversational VoC?

Conversational voice of the customer (VoC) gathers feedback through adaptive dialogue — such as chat, voice, or messaging — rather than fixed questionnaires. It follows context and emotion in the moment, making customers more likely to feel heard and producing richer insight into the why behind experience scores.

What is agentic VoC and how does it differ from surveys?

Agentic VoC uses AI systems that can not only collect and analyze feedback but also route issues, trigger recovery, summarize themes, and help close the loop. Unlike surveys that mainly capture scores after the fact, agentic listening turns insight into action — when governed with consent, privacy, and human escalation.

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Search Engine Marketing in the Era of AI-Assisted Search

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Search Engine Marketing in the Era of AI-Assisted Search

GUEST POST from Geoffrey A. Moore

My social media maven, Rich Stimbra, forwarded me the following as a potential blog topic:

Google’s revamped, AI-infused search is making businesses that depend on web search results anxious, and news publishers are already warning it could have “catastrophic” effects on the industry. Why? Google’s newly announced AI Overviews, set to launch this week in the U.S., synthesizes answers to users’ queries, and even though it will probably contain links, information from “know-it-all AI tools” could be thorough enough that users decide not to click through. News sites, whose audiences have already taken a hit from their content being downranked on social media, are bracing for further erosion from Google’s AI update.

Google unleashes AI in search, raising hopes for better results and fears about less web traffic

Boy, was he right. AI is bound to be a game-changer for both media and marketers alike, but not necessarily for the worst, provided that both communities up their games appropriately. Here’s what I think we have to prepare for:

  • Media — Yes, you are going to be disinter-media-ted (ouch!). But if your content is sufficiently differentiated, relevant, and impactful, its quality should cause it to rise to the top of the AI’s selection stack. Most of your material may not pass this test, which means you are going to have to acquire and retain your subscribers on your own. The result is almost certainly to be a smaller but more homogenous subscriber base that will be of more value to marketers targeting your core base and considerably less value to the “spray and pray” bunch. That, in turn, means you will likely be able to raise your CPM rates for those leads you do deliver while pivoting your business model to make more of your cash flow from subscribers rather than advertisers.
  • B2B Marketers — I expect this to be a boon for you because it should filter out a lot of low-quality leads and pass through higher-quality ones. The larger your ASP (Average Selling Price), the more important it is not to pursue underperforming lead-gen. But historically, lead-gen best practices have been developed by the B2C marketers, which encourages a very wide top-of-funnel in order to get as much market coverage as possible. B2B marketing wants a much more qualified top-of-funnel because the cost and time to qualify make low-quality leads a real burden. The CPM for more qualified leads will legitimately be higher, so the direct cost goes up, but the indirect cost of post-processing should decline more than enough to make up the difference. Additionally, business prospects are more likely to act on value-added responses than raw search results, which is good news, provided your content has sufficient relevance and impact to make the cut.
  • B2C Marketers — This is not good news for you. It narrows the top-of-funnel, potentially dramatically, and weeds out marginal leads which you are able to qualify much more cost-effectively than your B2B colleagues. For low-cost items, I expect your digital marketing dollars will shift increasingly to direct-to-consumer venues on popular social media platforms, spending more with influencers and less on raw coverage. For higher-priced ones, I expect a next-gen, AI-enhanced approach to email (text, messaging, etc.) marketing will pay off as well.

That’s what I think. What do you think?

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Thoughts on Selling

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Thoughts on Selling

GUEST POST from Mike Shipulski

Like most things, selling is about people.

The hard sell has nothing to do with selling.

Just when you think you’re having the least influence, you’re having the most.

When – ready, sell, listen – has run its course, try – ready, listen, sell.

Regardless of how politely it’s asked, “How many do you want?” isn’t selling.

If sales people are compensated by sales dollars, why do you think they’ll sell strategically?

The time horizon for selling defines the selling.

When people think you’re selling, they’re not thinking about buying.

Selling is more about ears than mouths.

Selling on price is a race to the bottom.

Wanting sales people to develop relationships is a great idea; why not make it worth their while?

Solving customer problems is selling.

Making it easy to buy makes it easy to sell.

You can’t sell much without trust.

Sell like you expect your first sale will happen a year from now.

Selling is a result.

I’m not sure the best way to sell; but listening can’t hurt.

Over-promising isn’t selling, unless you only want to sell once.

Helping customers grow is selling.

Delaying gratification is exceptionally difficult, but it’s wonderful way to sell.

Ground yourself in the customers’ work and the selling will take care of itself.

People buy from people and people sell to people.

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After the Chasm – Scaling Beyond the Beachhead

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After the Chasm - Scaling Beyond the Beachhead

GUEST POST from Geoffrey A. Moore

Crossing the chasm is the single most important goal for a B2B application that seeks to disrupt the status quo. The playbook has held up for more than 30 years because it continues to just work. That said, it does not say anything about what to do if you’re stuck in the mud on the other side. So, let’s suppose your enterprise has successfully crossed the chasm, achieved tens of millions of dollars in ARR, but is no longer growing at a rate to keep pace with the Rule of 40 percent (the sum of your profit and your growth rate). Your investors are getting antsy. Now what?

First of all, know your place. You are still sub-scale for a customer CFO to consider you desirable as a go-to vendor. Same goes for a CIO who is trying to consolidate rather than expand the list of vendors they are working with. So, as with crossing the chasm, your only ally will be a process owner with a problem process that is not getting the IT support they need. This time, however, you are looking for an adjacent process owner, someone for whom your chasm-crossing sponsor would make a good reference. This lowers the bar for how problematic the use case may be because there is already some proof that the solution will work.

Note that we are still at the departmental level, still a point-product app, not a platform, not a suite. Those are all worthy ambitions for the future, but if you try to activate them now, the CFO and the CIO will get involved, and you will get bogged down in proof-of-concept exercises that will take forever to scale.

That said, it is not too early to recruit ecosystem partners to help secure your beachhead and expand your reach. The key here is to engage with companies that are big enough to help but small enough to give you their full attention—not Tier 1 systems integrators, more like outsourced service providers to small and medium businesses or specific departmental functions. You don’t need a lot of these, but the ones you do recruit have to lean in, so make sure that there is enough trapped value in the target use case to pay both you and them a premium for resolving it. To accelerate this effort, ask your professional services team to package up their hard-won knowledge and make it available to the partners who can expand your beachhead market. You want your team to be plowing in the adjacent field, not harvesting in the initial one.

On the go-to-market side, you still need to be disciplined in deploying most of your resources into the target market segment and not letting them get distracted by chasing one-off opportunities elsewhere. That said, you can relax a bit from the laser focus of chasm-crossing as long as, say, two-thirds of the marketing and sales resources are directly aligned with your current goal. Remember at this point that marketing is still a territory capture game, so you want to go after targets that are big enough to matter but small enough to lead, and as always, a good fit with your crown jewels.

That’s what I think. What do you think?

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Giving Customers and Employees the Best Day Ever Experience

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Giving Customers and Employees the Best Day Ever Experience

GUEST POST from Shep Hyken

Steve Spangler is a teacher, businessman and Emmy award-winning TV personality who has amassed more than 4.5 billion views across YouTube and TikTok. The secret to his success can be summed up in one word: engagement. And recently, he decided to write about it, authoring a book titled The Engagement Effect: Cultivating Experiences that Ignite Connection, Build Trust, and Inspire Action.

In our interview, Spangler shared ideas that will make you a better leader. His insights in the book offer practical strategies for transforming abstract engagement concepts into actionable approaches that work across industries. While he shared many ideas, the concept of The Best Day Ever Experience stands out. Almost everything in the books points to creating an engaging experience that gets employees to love where they work and engage more with customers, and customers to want to return and tell others about their experience.

Engagement Is About Creating Experiences, Not Just Transactions

As Spangler emphasizes, engagement isn’t a gimmick or technique. It’s a mindset. It starts with the belief that people want to connect, and it’s our job as leaders to create the kind of experiences that invite a connection. True engagement happens when you go beyond just selling a product or service to creating an experience that connects emotionally and intellectually with people. Whether in business, school or any setting, making your audience feel involved and valued turns a simple exchange into something memorable. When people feel engaged, they are more likely to become loyal and talk about their experiences with others.

The Best Day Ever Experience

Spangler discussed his early days as a teacher, when he decided to make Halloween special for his students. In his science class, he exploded a pumpkin, lit a gummy bear on fire and sent electricity through the students (safely, of course!).

The following day, the father of one of these students approached Spangler. The conversation started out sounding like an angry, concerned parent who asked, “Am I to understand that you detonated an explosion in front of a group of children?” He shared more details about what happened in that class, and the father wasn’t actually angry at all. He was elated!

It turns out his daughter, who never talked about school, had come home so excited that she talked about everything she experienced that day. On that Halloween night, instead of wanting to rush out and go trick-or-treating like most kids, his daughter made everyone stay at the dinner table until she shared every detail about the day. She summarized by saying, “Daddy, today was the best day ever.”

The Best Day Ever Experience is about emotional connection. It’s transformational, not just transactional. The principal at Spangler’s school complimented him by saying, “If it gets to the dinner table, you win.” That wasn’t just praise. It was a benchmark. In other words, if what you create for your customers or employees is so impactful that they metaphorically “bring it home,” talking about it excitedly to others, then you’ve created a transformational experience, one they will remember, want to experience again and share with others.

Chewy.com Creates Best Day Ever Experiences

Spangler shared a business example using Chewy.com as the case study. Chewy sells pet supplies online, and there are plenty of similar stories about how Chewy creates intense loyalty with its customers.

In the early years of Chewy.com, a customer called to cancel his monthly dog food delivery subscription. Unfortunately, his dog passed away. That month’s delivery showed up, reminding him that he had to make the call. He was very emotional as he shared his story. The Chewy.com employee expressed empathy and sympathy. She informed him that the subscription was canceled, and he would receive a refund for the most recent delivery. She asked that he give the dog food to a neighbor or donate it to an animal shelter. That would have been a friendly end to the story, but there’s more.

Two days later, there was a knock at the customer’s door. A local florist delivered a plant with a note from Chewy.com about how they wanted him to know that his friends at the company were thinking about him and how hard it is to lose a “best friend.” Spangler summarizes by saying, “A sad and touching moment, yes, but also a Best Day Ever moment.”

Final Words

All leaders are experience designers, whether they realize it or not. Every meeting, message and moment is an opportunity to create an experience that is memorable (or forgettable). Spangler’s book serves as a roadmap for leaders who are ready to transform their approach from transactional to transformational. The way you treat employees and customers shapes their memories and creates loyalty. Focus on how you present ideas and products, not just what you offer. The question every leader should ask is, “Are we creating experiences so memorable that our employees and customers rush to tell others about them?”

This article was originally published on Forbes.com.

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Markets Don’t Build Themselves, You Must Engineer Them

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Markets Don't Build Themselves, You Must Engineer Them

Exclusive Interview with Bruce Cleveland

In a business landscape increasingly cluttered by “feature wars” and fleeting viral trends, true market leadership isn’t just about who builds the best product — it’s about who defines the problem. In his groundbreaking work, Market Engineering, Bruce Cleveland argues that successful companies don’t just enter markets; they architect them. By blending rigorous systems thinking with the art of category design, Cleveland provides a blueprint for moving beyond commodity status to become a dominant force that sets the rules of the game.

In this insightful Q&A, Cleveland breaks down why “Market Engineering” must be foundational from day one rather than a secondary thought for the marketing department. From the evolution of Chief Storytellers to the strategic distinction between a market and a category, he explores how leaders can steer through the noise — especially in the age of AI — to create a resonant narrative that sticks.

Today we dive deep into the characteristics and necessities of market engineering with our special guest.

Markets Don’t Build Themselves

Bruce ClevelandBruce Cleveland is a former venture capitalist and engineering and product executive at Apple, C3 AI, Oracle, and Siebel Systems. As founder of Traction Gap Partners, he has helped hundreds of startups, scale-ups, and enterprises to transform innovation into impact. His previous book, Traversing the Traction Gap, is taught in universities and used by investors and founders worldwide. Cleveland’s frameworks blend analytical discipline with creative storytelling — empowering leaders in companies of all sizes and industries to transform technology into traction and markets into movements. He lives in Bend, Oregon.

Below is the text of my interview with Bruce and a preview of the kinds of insights you’ll find in Market Engineering presented in a Q&A format:

1. When does it make sense for a company to engage in Market Engineering?

Market Engineering isn’t something you save for later: it’s foundational from the moment you decide to bring a new product or company to life. The earlier you start intentionally defining or redefining your category, shaping positioning, and setting the narrative, the more leverage you have. If you wait until after a product launch or when you’re trying to scale, you’re forced to play by definitions set by incumbents or competitors, which makes differentiation and leadership much harder.

2. Why is it so important for a company to shape the market reality?

If you don’t shape your market’s reality, someone else will, often in a way that disadvantages you. Shaping market reality means you control how problems are defined, which features or metrics matter, and what the buying criteria look like. Market leadership is rarely awarded to the objectively “best” product; it’s achieved by those who frame the market in terms they can win.

3. Why must all leaders intimately understand the difference between a category and a market?

A market is the overarching territory: the set of buyers, sellers, and needs. A category is a specific frame or context you create and own within that market. If you only compete in the market, you become a commodity; if you define and then dominate a category, you set the standards and leave competitors playing catch-up. Leaders must understand this distinction so they can move from playing the existing game to rewriting the rules.

4. What do you think about the Chief Storyteller roles we see appearing in companies?

It’s a positive development; as long as the role goes beyond polished campaign stories and becomes architect and keeper of the full-market narrative. The best Chief Storytellers aren’t just marketers; they’re narrative engineers who unite product, category vision, customer proof, and internal culture into a coherent, resonant story that attracts and aligns stakeholders. Think Steve Jobs: one of the best storytellers ever.

5. Many see Thought Leadership as a combination of messaging and storytelling, what makes it a standalone tenet?

Thought Leadership stands alone because it’s about setting the agenda (leading the conversation) rather than just communicating your point of view. It requires original insight, provocation, and the courage to propose new models, not just synthesize existing ones. When done well, it changes the direction of the market; others start to echo your terminology and frameworks.

6. Why is it so hard for most new products to get traction?

Most new products fail to get traction not because of weak tech, but because of unclear value, undifferentiated positioning, or market confusion. Teams overfocus on features and under-invest in the story, category, and proof. Without clear market engineering, no one knows why the product matters or how they should think about it compared to everything else.

7. Where do companies go wrong with category design?

The most common mistake is either not designing a category at all (just trying to out-feature incumbents) or making it a “naming exercise” disconnected from authentic customer need and business reality. Category design isn’t branding; it’s systems thinking. it should be rooted in a real problem, codified with relentless clarity, and validated with influential customers and analysts.

8. How does the leadership team recognize they got the positioning wrong and how do they fix it?

Market Engineering Book CoverYou’ll know you have a positioning problem if deals stall in the pipeline, you get slotted into the wrong RFP bucket, or media/analysts lump you with solutions you don’t respect. Fixing it starts with honest investigation: talking directly to customers/prospects, auditing every touchpoint, and rigorously re-testing your Messaging Matrix. It’s usually about clarity, not cleverness.

9. What are the biggest pitfalls of message ownership and management and how can leaders avoid them?

The biggest pitfalls are lack of internal discipline and message drift: where every functional group tells the story a bit differently, or the narrative morphs with each campaign. Leaders must treat the messaging as a living, central artifact (like the Messaging Matrix), ensure frequent training, and make every update explicitly cross-functional. Messaging must be owned at the top.

10. What are some of the keys to great storytelling that every leader should master?

Great storytelling starts with empathy: a deep understanding of customer pain and aspiration. Then, it follows with clarity (no jargon), specificity (real data, real outcomes), and tension (what’s at stake in the market). Too often, stories become “laundry lists”. The key is to focus on a single arc: What’s broken in the world, what new future you’re inviting them into, and social proof that it’s real.

11. What are the keys to creating effective thought leadership?

You must have a strong point of view and the willingness to challenge conventional wisdom. Effective thought leadership is not just more content; it’s original, actionable ideas presented consistently across channels and validated with real-world outcomes, not just theory. Authenticity and a learning mindset are critical: the market rewards those who teach, not just those who promote.

12. Does AI make Market Engineering easier or more difficult and why?

AI makes Market Engineering both easier and much harder. Easier, because it democratizes access to research, market signals, and rapid content generation. Harder, because it amplifies noise and makes it much more difficult to stand out unless your positioning, messaging, and insight are precise and differentiated. The bar for clarity and originality rises: those who do Market Engineering well will thrive; those who don’t will be commoditized instantly.

13. Is there anything you wish I had asked so that you could speak to it?

I wish more people asked, “How do you maintain momentum and discipline in Market Engineering after the initial category launch?” Winning the first lap is one thing; evolving category leadership into true market leadership and dominance over the years is another. It’s not a one-time event: it’s ongoing narrative, data, partner ecosystem, and customer proof work. The companies that endure are those that outlearn, outevolve, and outlast, not just outlaunch their competition.

Conclusion

Thank you for the great conversation Bruce!

I hope everyone has enjoyed this peek into the mind of the man behind the insightful new title Market Engineering!

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