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Shep Hyken is a customer service expert, keynote speaker, and New York Times, bestselling business author. For information on The Customer Focus™ customer service training programs, go to www.thecustomerfocus.com. Follow on Twitter: @Hyken

5 Business Myths You Cannot Afford to Believe

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5 Business Myths You Cannot Afford To Believe

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Sometimes a business idea or strategy seems to make total sense. Yet once it is implemented, it turns out to be a mistake. We rely upon research, stories and data to help us formulate what might work best. It’s okay to fail. But if you already know something is wrong, don’t make it worse by relying on a flawed business strategy.

I’ve taken some of my favorite topics I’ve researched and written about over the years and uncovered five myths that, while seeming to make sense, could cost you money, customers and maybe even your business. So, with that in mind, here are my five favorite business myths and the explanations behind why believing them cost your organization dearly.

  1. A Repeat Customer Is a Loyal Customer – The customer keeps coming back, so they must be loyal … wrong! Just because a customer comes back doesn’t always mean they love you. You must find out why they keep coming back. Maybe you have a physical location that is two miles closer than your competitor’s location. What if a competitor builds a store between you and your customer? You may find out they were loyal to your location and not to you. Or maybe your price is the lowest. If that’s what the customer loves, guess what happens when your competition offers a lower price? It turns out they were loyal to their wallet, not your store. There are a number of reasons customers come back that have nothing to do with how much they love the experience of doing business with you. But when you find someone who is truly loyal, keep doing what they love about you, and you may have them forever.
  2. We Want Satisfied Customers – This is a perfect follow-up to A Repeat Customer Is a Loyal Customer. No, you don’t want satisfied customers. You want loyal customers. In my customer service and CX research (sponsored by RingCentral), we asked more than 1,000 U.S. consumers if they were to rate an experience as “average” or “satisfactory,” how likely would they be to come back. Almost one in four (23%) said if they had a satisfactory experience, they would not be likely to or would never come back. Satisfactory is average, and the first opportunity the customer has to do business with a place that’s even slightly better than average, it’s a good possibility that they will move on.
  3. Only the Front Line Needs Customer Service Training – Customer service is not a department. It’s a philosophy that everyone in an organization must embrace. Everyone either deals directly with a customer, supports someone who does or is part of the process that drives or supports the customer experience. Someone in the warehouse may never see a customer, but if they fail to pack merchandise properly, they will negatively impact the experience, causing the customer to call and complain and make the company double its effort to send a product that isn’t damaged. Once the employees in the warehouse realize their impact on the experience, they will view their job in a new way and be focused on creating a better customer experience.
  4. Customer Loyalty Programs Create Loyal Customers – Customer loyalty programs are often about points, perks and discounts. An important question to consider is, “If you take those perks away, would the customer still be loyal to you?” That doesn’t mean you should do away with the program. While these types of programs may not drive true loyalty, what they will do is drive repeat business. So, recognize a loyalty program for what it is: a repeat business and marketing program. And if the customer keeps coming back, each and every time is an opportunity (beyond the points and perks) to validate their decision to do so with an experience that will keep them from even considering switching to your competition.
  5. The Customer Is Always Right – No, the customer is NOT always right, but they are always the customer. This is one of my favorite myths. Ten years ago, I wrote an entire article (Your Customers Are Not Always Right) devoted to this concept. For today, I’ll summarize it in one sentence: If the customer is wrong, let them be wrong with dignity and respect.

Don’t make the mistake of believing any of these myths. Rather than clinging to conventional wisdom that sounds good but potentially fails in practice, focus on understanding what’s behind these myths and what will work. Brainstorm with your team how you can “bust” these myths and create the experience that customers love and come back for.

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This article was originally published on Forbes.com.

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The Journey Shapes Customer Perception

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The Journey Shapes Customer Perception

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Ralph Waldo Emerson, the American philosopher, is often credited with saying, “It’s not the destination, it’s the journey.” The idea is that the journey is just as important—maybe even more so—than arriving at the destination.

I recently attended a lecture by a magician who shared his “secrets” for creating a show that people want to come back and experience again and again.

The message was clear. No matter how amazing the tricks are, it’s the personality and patter (the words used throughout the show) that make people laugh and entertain them along the way—as in the journey created on the way to the end of a trick.

The concept of the “destination, not the journey,” not only applies in life and magic shows but also in customer service. Have you ever had a disagreement with someone in a company? (Of course, you have.) You knew you were right. You pleaded your case, asked to speak to a manager or supervisor, and after spending more time than necessary, the wrong was righted. The destination, as in the resolution, was what you wanted. The journey, as in what it took to get there, was a disaster.

Not all that long ago, I wrote an article about a parking lot that had open spaces. Everyone could see them, but the employee at the gate claimed there were none. He dug his heels into the ground and refused to let me park in one of the half-dozen spaces we could both see. I asked to speak to the manager. He made a call, and five minutes later—even though it seemed like more—he begrudgingly let me in. Did it have to be that hard? Of course, not!

The Journey Taints the Destination

Was this a fight where I won, and he lost? That’s what it felt like, but it shouldn’t have been like that. Too many times, a customer has an unnecessary “fight” with a customer service rep to resolve an issue. If the end result is what makes the customer happy, don’t make them fight to get there. That journey taints the destination, sometimes to the point where the customer, even if they get what they want, won’t come back.

In customer service, the journey is what truly shapes the customer’s perceptions. Businesses should strive to create a seamless, easy, and enjoyable experience at every touchpoint, just like a good magician’s show delights the audience from start to finish. By prioritizing the journey, companies can ensure that the resolution not only meets the expectations but also enhances the overall experience, encouraging repeat business and fostering trust and confidence, which leads to repeat business. Remember, it’s the memorable journey that will get your customers to say, “I’ll be back!”

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FORO: The Fear of Reaching Out

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FORO: The Fear of Reaching Out

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We’ve all experienced long hold times, repeating our “story” because we get transferred from one customer service rep to another, etc. It’s an ugly customer service experience that gives many customers FORO, or the Fear of Reaching Out.

FORO is the result of an experience marred with time-wasting friction that makes customers dislike having to reach out to customer support. Our annual customer service and Customer Experience (CX) research (sponsored by RingCentral) finds that 43% of customers would rather clean a toilet than call customer support. The support experience can be so bad that 60% of customers admit to hanging up on a support agent, 34% admit to yelling at an agent, and 21% admit to cussing at an agent. So, it does make sense that customers would have FORO due to poor experiences they have had with some companies and brands (not all) in the past.

Because some companies get it right and others don’t, the inconsistency makes the customer wonder what the next time will be like. Their past frustration, anxiety or memory of a bad experience creates the unwillingness to call.

I had a chance to interview Gaurav Passi on Amazing Business Radio, and he introduced me to the concept of FORO. Passi is the co-founder and CEO of Zingly.AI, a platform that empowers customers to collaborate with a company, either through AI or with direct human-to-human interactions, to have their questions answered and problems resolved. Below are some of Passi’s most intriguing points, followed by my commentary:

  1. The next 15-20 years will be about the end customer experience. Many consulting companies and business experts recognize that customer experience is more important than a company’s product. Most customers can buy the same product—or at least similar products—from many different sources. What differentiates the companies and brands that sell these products is the experience. Passi agrees and adds that the way companies deliver support is changing. The future of CX is a blend of AI, digital and human/live support. That prompted me to ask Passi a question that concerns many people, especially customer support agents, “Do you see AI replacing live agents in that time frame?” He answered, “I don’t see a world where humans are completely taken out.”
  2. Customers don’t want to talk to a human being — until they do. Passi says that customers often don’t want to talk to a human. They just want an answer as quickly and efficiently as possible. If they can’t get it, then they want to talk to a human … as quickly and efficiently as possible. Even with many customers desiring this self-service approach, Passi cautions that companies should not make the mistake of 100% deflection to digital self-service. He asks, “Even if you achieve 100% deflection, what will happen to your customer satisfaction (CSAT) scores?” Passi shared an example of a client who had chosen to deflect 100% of customer support to digital self-service and had an outage. Because of the outage, the employees ended up talking to customers, human-to-human. Amazingly — or not — CSAT went up. Why? Passi says, “Because there was a human touch when needed.”
  3. Customer patience is at an all-time low. This is a primary symptom of FORO. Customers don’t have the time or patience to go online to a company’s website, find the customer support number, wait on hold, get authenticated, etc. They want, as Passi calls it, a “One shot, one kill experience.” Using the company’s self-service options, often fueled by AI, you ask a question, and an answer comes back. It’s as simple as that. The customer appreciates not having to get on the phone, wait on hold, etc., etc.
  4. AI is not the final answer! While AI is revolutionizing customer service and support by enabling businesses to scale their operations efficiently, maintaining the human touch with customers to foster genuine relationships is still important. But the human touch doesn’t have to kick in until it’s needed. And in the perfect world, the platform will recognize customers’ reactions when they aren’t getting the answers they need. Passi is proud of what he refers to as “the most magical component we’ve created in the past three years,” which is a technology that understands when the customer is not getting the right answer and seamlessly passes them to a human agent to take over.

If you’ve been following my work, you know I’m focused on helping my clients create amazing customer experiences. As Passi and I wrapped up our interview, he mentioned that amazing is what Zingly is about. He shared that his mission, like mine, is to help his customers create amaZINGLY great experiences for their customers. With an increasing demand for customers to have more control over how, when and on which devices they communicate with businesses, the combination of AI and human expertise, paired with transparency and collaboration with customers, can create a more personalized, effective and amaZINGLY great customer experience.

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Be Better or Be Different?

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Be Better or Be Different?

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Do you want to be better or different? That’s the question that Sally Hogshead, an amazing professional speaker who specializes in being fascinating, shared in a recent speech I had the pleasure of experiencing. While most of her work is about how to be fascinating, this speech came from a different place. She talked about the power of being different versus better than others.

Sally shared research that found 73% would rather be better versus 27% who would choose to be different.

It’s one thing to be better than your competition. What makes you better? Is it your product? Is it the customer service or experience you provide? Is there something tangible that your customer could describe that proves you are better?

And then there is being different. As I listened to Sally share her wisdom, I realized that as much as we would like to be better than a competitor – and we should strive to do so – being different is more obvious.

I have a crazy idea. Why not both – especially as this idea applies to customer service and experience?

First, let’s talk about being better. It’s likely that you sell what others also sell. It’s a similar product. It may or may not be better, and it could be exactly the same, as in a commodity. So, how can you be better? Provide a better customer experience (CX). Yes, it’s always better to be better, but maybe you don’t have to be better than your competition. Maybe you just have to be better than what is expected.

Shep Hyken Different Better Cartoon

And here’s the interesting thing about your customer’s expectations – at least as it applies to CX. As important as customer service and CX are, the bar is fairly low. There are rockstar companies that have taught customers what a good CX looks like, but many companies struggle to create a similar experience. So, consider this idea: Delivering a better customer experience is as simple as consistently meeting customers’ expectations – with an emphasis on the word consistently. By the way, I used the word simple. That does not necessarily mean it’s easy, but if you meet expectations, you’re already better than most.

Being different will make a difference – no pun intended. Being different allows you to stand out. Yes, it could be your service and CX that makes you different – think Chick-fil-A. Whatever it is, it needs to be something that customers notice and care about. That gives customers a reason to choose you over your competition.

Sally’s short speech made me think. If there’s a way to be both better and different, you’ve got a winning combination that is hard to beat. However, even if all you do is meet the customers’ service and experience expectations, which already makes you better, continue to find a way – or ways – to stand out with something that makes you different.

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Beyond the AI Customer Experience Hype

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Beyond the AI Customer Experience Hype

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I’ve been writing a lot about artificial intelligence (AI) and the digital customer experience (CX). Many of the executives I interview and the articles I refer to are all about how AI is revolutionizing, changing, helping and sometimes hurting CX. So we’ve heard from experts. How about if we heard from the customers?

That’s exactly what we did in our annual customer service and CX research sponsored by RingCentral. We asked more than 1,000 U.S. consumers about their experiences with AI and digital customer support, and here are the basic findings for 2024:

The Good

  1. Sixty-two percent of U.S. consumers expect that AI (and related technologies) will be the primary mode of customer service in the future. But how about today? As you will see in some of the findings below, not everyone feels AI is ready for primetime customer service and CX.
  2. Thirty-eight percent believe AI and related technologies will lead to more personalized customer experiences. Personalization has been a hot topic for marketing and CX leaders. AI is giving companies and brands far greater capabilities to use customer data to create a personalized experience. Customers enjoy doing business with companies that recognize them and use the information they have to create a better experience.
  3. Forty-nine percent think AI technologies have the potential to improve the overall customer experience. This is good news, however, the next group of findings shows that companies still have an uphill battle to get customers to adopt and embrace a CX fueled by AI.

The Bad

  1. Only 32% of customers have successfully resolved a customer service issue using AI or ChatGPT technologies. That number is low. One theory is that customers often don’t realize AI is what’s behind what they are doing. Some think AI is chatbots and automated voice response systems that interact with them like a human would or should.
  2. Fifty-six percent of customers admit to being scared of technologies like AI and ChatGPT. Some of these customers may have watched movies where computers take over the world or robots go rogue, none of which are grounded in reality. However, some customers simply don’t trust the technology because of past bad experiences.
  3. Sixty-three percent of customers are frustrated with self-service options using AI, ChatGPT and similar technologies. Frustration is different than being scared, but it has the same impact: customers would rather avoid technology and talk to a live human for support and service.

As I studied the significance of these findings as a whole, the overarching theme of why AI has not caught on as a viable and reliable customer support option is inconsistency. Included in the annual study is a finding that 70% of customers choose talking to a live customer service agent on the phone as their primary channel for customer service.

Why? It’s easier, and customers know what to expect when they talk and interact with live agents. What they don’t want to experience is a self-service solution powered by AI that takes them through a series of prompts that eventually lead to a dead end, where they end up having to call the company anyway.

There’s good reason for the fear and frustration. As more customers are exposed to AI and start to understand it, their inconsistent experiences from one company to the next are creating a confidence problem. The latest technology, which is very cost-effective for even small businesses, has not been purchased and implemented by a majority of businesses.

As of the beginning of this year, just 27% of customers think self-service or automated customer support using AI-powered technology can deliver as good of a customer experience as a live agent. That number will eventually go up, although not as quickly as it needs to. Once companies recognize that bad service equates to lost business, they will make the investment to do it right. It’s not an option if they want their customers to say, “I’ll be back!”

This article was originally published on Forbes.com

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Time to Stop These Ten Bad Customer Experience Habits

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Time to Stop These Ten Bad Customer Experience Habits

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Recently, Bob Newhart, a famous comedian and actor, passed away. He started his career as a stand-up comedian and eventually hit it big on television, starring in a TV series aptly named The Bob Newhart Show. His awards include three Grammy Awards, an Emmy Award, a Golden Globe, and the Mark Twain Prize for American Humor. In 1960, his comedy record The Button-Down Mind of Bob Newhart reached No. 1 on Billboard’s pop album chart.

But enough about Newhart’s history and accolades, why is he showing up in an article about customer service and experience? The answer can be found in one of his TV specials in a funny sketch titled Stop It.

Seven years ago, I first shared a link to the Stop It video in an article I wrote titled Just Stop It. The focus was to stop doing the things that customers complain about most. To honor and remember the late Bob Newhart, I’d like to bring back the theme of Stop It, and this time, focus on stopping bad habits, systems, or policies that destroy a good customer experience. With that in mind, here are ten (10) things that, if you notice they are happening, will make you want to say, “Stop it!”

  1. Stop putting customers on hold for too long. If you must put customers on hold, tell them how long and provide an option to be called back.
  2. Stop transferring customers multiple times. Get them to the right person the first time!
  3. Stop asking for feedback if you’re not going to take advantage of it. Our CX research (sponsored by RingCentral) found that 71% of U.S. customers assume the company won’t make changes based on their responses to a customer satisfaction survey.
  4. Stop using company or technical jargon your customers might not know or understand. This makes them feel uncomfortable and may make them feel like you’re “talking above them.”
  5. Stop making promises you don’t keep. For example, if you say you’ll call someone back in an hour, don’t be late.
  6. Stop making it hard for customers to talk to a live person. If you have live agents to support customers, don’t make it complicated or hard to get to them.
  7. Stop relying on too much automation. Some companies have gone 100% digital, eliminating customer service agents. Even Amazon, the most digital retailer in the world, has customer service reps to help when problems arise.
  8. Stop blaming others for a mistake or problem, even if it is someone else’s fault. Customers don’t care who is at fault. What they care about is talking to someone who will help them. Even if it’s not your fault, it’s your opportunity to make things right. No blame is needed for that.
  9. Stop being anything less than easy to do business with. This is a big one. Customers want friction-less, no-hassle experiences. Evaluate your processes, systems and policies to ensure they are customer-friendly.
  10. Stop being average! Even an experience that is the tiniest bit better than average, as long as it’s consistent, will get customers to say things like, “They are always so helpful (friendly, knowledgeable, etc.).” The consistent above-average experience will make customers say, “I’ll be back!”

Shep Hyken Bad Habits Cartoon

This list of ten ideas to stop is just a start. Sit down with your team and use this list as an idea starter to discuss the issues, problems and complaints you hear about more often than others. Then, as the late Bob Newhart said, “Stop it!”

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The Secrets of Customer Support Triage

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The Secrets of Customer Support Triage

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Recently, I had the privilege of being a keynote speaker on customer experience (CX) at a company’s quarterly event. Following the speech, the CEO shared an insight into their approach to customer service and CX, comparing it to a medical emergency room. “Our response to customer complaints and issues is akin to triage,” he said. “We effectively diagnose the problems, yet find ourselves treating similar cases repeatedly as if sending them to an emergency room that never addresses the underlying causes.”

Triage is an interesting word. It’s a medical term, but I wanted to better understand the definition, so I did what most people do. I Googled the word, and this is the definition from Merriam-Webster:

  1. The sorting and allocating of treatment to patients, especially battle and disaster victims, according to a system of priorities designed to maximize the number of survivors.
  2. The assigning of priority order to projects on the basis of where funds and other resources can be best used, are most needed, or most likely to achieve success.


The first definition confirmed that the CEO’s comment was accurate. They fix problems, but don’t seem to be preventing the problems. The second definition sounds like common practice for most businesses, not just hospital emergency rooms. They prioritize projects – in this case, customer service issues – and focus on what will provide the best return.

I loved the CEO’s comment because he recognized the end goal wasn’t to deliver great customer service when there was a problem but to create a customer experience that had few, if any, problems. Put another way, it’s one thing to fix problems. It’s another to understand why there’s a problem and create a preventative solution or system that eliminates – or at least mitigates – the problem in the future. Yes, there will be customer service issues, but with this line of thinking, you can eliminate many problems and complaints.

This reminded me of commercials I remember seeing when I was a kid. From 1967-1988, there were commercials for Maytag washers and dryers. Many of you are too young to remember the Maytag repairman known as “Ol’ Lonely,” who was lonely and bored because the Maytag equipment was so dependable. Of course, the machines weren’t perfect, but they were reputed to be more reliable than competitors.

I like the idea of boring – when it comes to problems and complaints. Nothing would make me happier than to see the true depiction of a company’s customer service agents sitting around bored because customers seldom called with complaints.

So, consider this question: Would you rather be the company known for solving problems when they happen or the company that doesn’t have problems?

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Nordstrom Still Acting Like a Startup

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123 Years Later

Nordstrom Still Acting Like a Startup

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In 1901, John Nordstrom and Carl Wallin opened the original Wallin and Nordstrom shoe store. Twenty-two years later, a second Nordstrom shoe store opened. Today, according to Nordstrom Company Facts, there are 360 stores in the U.S., including 93 Nordstrom stores, 258 Nordstrom Rack stores, two clearance stores, six Nordstrom local service hubs and online e-commerce websites for Nordstrom and Nordstrom Rack.

In the past 123 years, much has happened and many retailers have come and gone. There have been stock market crashes, wars, economic issues, pandemics and more. Yet Nordstrom has weathered these storms and has continued to own a reputation for incredible customer service and convenience.

Robert Spector is an author and Nordstrom expert, having written five books on Nordstrom, the most recent titled, The Century-Old Startup: The Nordstrom Way of Embracing Change, Challenges, and a Culture of Customer Service. I had the chance to interview him about the book and how Nordstrom has remained a viable brand for more than a century.

Spector’s first answer was short, and as the title of the book implies, the leadership has a startup mentality. Its leadership is quick to make decisions and keep up with changes in the economy and customer expectations. Here are some of the top takeaways from our interview:

  • The Nordstrom Handbook: This is a legendary story. Nordstrom has one rule: Use good judgment. The company hires good people, trusts their ability to manage customer interactions and empowers them to make good customer-focused decisions.

  • Training: Training includes sharing examples of how other employees have solved problems and taken care of their customers. Legendary customer service stories (such as the story about an employee giving a refund for a used set of tires) showcase how Nordstrom treats its customers, which in turn inspires and motivates employees. These stories emphasize how important it is to find ways to exceed customers’ expectations.

  • Supporting Social Causes: Customers prefer brands that support the same social causes they do. More than just giving back to the community, Nordstrom also understands that embracing social responsibility includes respecting diverse values and perspectives and adapting to different cultures for both employees and customers.

  • Technology: You can’t continue to do business like you’ve always done. Nordstrom has shown that it can adapt to the new ways of retail. Spector writes that Nordstrom has embraced technology. Its philosophy is to try it. If it works, great. If not, move on. At the same time, the company recognizes that its reputation is tied to its legendary customer service. They have found ways to embrace e-commerce and adapt to the ever-changing needs of customers and how they buy. Spector says, “Balancing technology with personal connections and understanding the importance of human interactions is key to creating a differentiated and exceptional customer experience.”

  • Embrace Transformation: Retail continues to evolve, and new iterations of Nordstrom prove that the only constant you can count on is change. Yet one thing that doesn’t change is Nordstrom’s theme of focusing on the customer, regardless of the changes it has made, which includes opening Nordstrom Rack, clearance stores and e-commerce.

The overarching theme to all the ideas that Spector shares about Nordstrom is that, from the company’s very beginning, they have recognized the power of the relationship they have with their customers. Delivering a level of service that sometimes isn’t expected results in a reputation that has kept them relevant for more than a century. Spector sums this up by saying, “Ultimately, it’s about how decisions positively impact the customer, not just the company.”

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This article originally appeared on Forbes.com.

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The Real Winners of Mega Events

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From the Super Bowl to Rock Concerts

The Real Winners of Mega Events

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Fans who attend major sporting events and concerts may have memories to last a lifetime. The owners of the sports teams and producers of major music events may smile as they look at a sold-out crowd. The athletes and musicians are well-paid for their performances. And we can’t forget the sponsors who pay large sums of money to be affiliated with events, enjoy brand recognition and see a return on their advertising dollars. But there’s one other “happy customer” that many people don’t think about: the city that gets the honor of hosting these events.

The Super Bowl is next month, and for many, it is a festive occasion. For the city that hosts the biggest sporting event of the year, it’s a windfall in economic benefit. This year, that city was Las Vegas. Even before the Super Bowl was hosted in its new stadium, the city profited from major sporting events. People flock to Vegas to party, gamble and enjoy their favorite major sporting events on the gigantic screens in the casinos around the city. Although the NBA championship may be played in a different city, it’s still hard to find a room at a high-end hotel like Bellagio, Wynn or Caesars.

The point is that the host city receives a huge economic impact beyond the game, even if its main street is not lined with casinos. Two years ago, Major League Baseball’s World Series pitted the Houston Astros against the Arizona Diamondbacks. There was an economic windfall for the two cities.

According to a local economy study, Houston First Corp. found that each game played in Houston was worth $12.5 million. In Phoenix, where the D-Backs play, the numbers are similar. Even though fans want their team to win quickly and decisively, there is an economic benefit to the best-of-seven match going the distance. Restaurants, hotels and more benefit, and the taxes charged benefit the cities and states.

The NCAA March Madness “Final Four” basketball tournament is ironically played in April. Last year’s “winning city,” regardless of the teams playing, is Phoenix. The last time Phoenix hosted the tournament was in 2017, and a Seidman Research Institute study at Arizona State University’s W.P. Carey School of Business found an estimated 59,761 visitors stayed an average of 4.16 nights and spent an average of $487.19 per day, with a total economic impact of $324.5 million.

The benefits of sporting and entertainment events for their respective cities can’t be ignored. Be it sports, concerts, festivals, art shows, etc., these events are not just enjoyed by people attending. The trickling benefit of a boom to the area makes the effort to produce and host the events worthwhile.

Last year I met with Steve Schankman, the president of Contemporary Productions, who has produced concerts, special events and music festivals for more than 50 years. His events range from high-school venues where he booked Chuck Berry in the ’60s and ’70s, to the Super Bowl halftime show with U-2, to major music festivals starring Elton John, The Beach Boys and many other music icons, with millions in attendance throughout the years.

A couple of years ago, Schankman, with his partner Joe Litvag, produced Evolution Festival, a two-day summer music festival in St. Louis, with the goal of bringing the local community together to enjoy a talent lineup that featured Brandi Carlile, The Black Keys, Ice Cube, the Sugarhill Gang and more. If the lineup seems eclectic, that was purposeful, as Schankman’s dream was to unite music fans from every part of the area. “Music should bring people together, regardless of color, religion and sex,” says Schankman. More than 25,000 people—7,500 from outside the St. Louis area—enjoyed the festival. But it’s more than just entertainment for music fans, and he can’t wait to do it again with a lineup even more exciting and diverse than the first year’s festival.

In an article recapping the inaugural Evolution Music Festival, Schankman said, “I got 600 people working here. Besides that, we have employment taxes, we have sales taxes. We’ll do seven figures in concession sales. Seven figures in ticket sales. So just the taxes alone for the state and the city are great.”

The Metro St. Louis area, with a population of more than 2.7 million people, profits from a major music event like Evolution Festival just like it would from a major sporting event. Looking beyond the fun-filled weekend, the financial side of the sports and entertainment industry benefits more than just the talent on the field, court, or stage. Even though a concert experience like Evolution Festival doesn’t have the same financial impact as a Super Bowl championship or Final Four tournament, there are still similar benefits.

According to Brian Hall, chief marketing officer at Explore St. Louis, the average travel party to St. Louis consists of three guests staying 2.4 nights and spending $969 on hotel rooms, restaurants, attractions, etc. Then you add on ticket sales for the event, food and beverage, and souvenirs, and the numbers grow. With approximately 7,500 out-of-towners attending the Evolution Festival, the city and state enjoy a windfall of tax revenue to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars. In addition, there are future benefits. Hall says, “Visitation to a community is a precursor to economic development, including moving, relocating a company or starting a business in St. Louis.”

The events business, be it sports, a concert/music festival or any other large public affair, always has support from local, national and international sponsors. Large brands like AT&T, American Express and Anheuser-Busch put millions into major sporting events. While Schankman won’t compare the Evolution Festival to the Super Bowl, he said, “Cities like St. Louis offer sponsors the chance to be seen by a geographically targeted audience. The festival created 31 million impressions through the in-person experience, on social media and with our traditional advertising and marketing.”

Several times Schankman emphasized bringing people from all walks of life together. At the end of our interview, he summed it up by saying, “At a time when we’re experiencing racial and religious tension, political divide and terrifying world events, let’s remember what Beatles drummer Ringo Starr is known for preaching, ‘Peace and love!’ That’s what Evolution Festival is all about, and the businesses and brands that support it should want to be a part of something that special!”

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This article originally appeared on Forbes.com.

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The Dark Side and the Shep Side of Customer Service

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The Dark Side and the Shep Side of Customer Service

GUEST POST from Shep Hyken

Let’s play a game. We can call it ‘Lousy Service Versus Good Service’, or a better title I came up with: ‘The Dark Side Versus the Shep Side’.

‘The Dark Side of Service’ is just bad. The opposite is what I teach in my customer service (CX) keynote speeches and customer service training program. Here are some Dark Side and Shep Side examples:

Dark Side: Making customers wait for long, unreasonable lengths of time.

Shep Side: Customers don’t wait. But that’s not always possible, so if they do have to wait, they are told how long, and the company honors its commitment.

Dark Side: Employees are rude. In my annual customer service research (sponsored by RingCentral), the top reason customers leave one company to go to another is rude employees!

Shep Side: Employees are the exact opposite of rude. Our research found the top reasons customers come back to a company are employees who are helpful, knowledgeable and friendly.

Dark Side: The experience is marred by friction and unfriendly customer policies. It seems like it’s never easy to reach a person or get help, and even if you’re trying to buy something, sometimes the company makes it hard. It’s almost as if they have a sales-prevention department.

Shep Side: Customers love companies that are easy to do business with. It’s more than convenience – although customers love convenience. Being easy in business means processes and policies that are customer-friendly. It’s easy to reach a customer support agent. Employees respond quickly to customers’ messages. Maybe it’s a hassle-free return or exchange policy. The point is, the experience is just easy!

Dark Side: Inconsistent experiences … one day, the service and experience are great. The next time, they aren’t. The customer wonders, “What will the next experience be like?”

Shep Side: When customers have a consistent and predictable experience, they trust you. They know what they are going to get. They “own the experience,” often to the point where a customer won’t take the risk of doing business elsewhere for fear of being let down. This is what you want customers to experience.

The Dark Side and the Shep Side of Customer ServiceI could go on and on with examples like these, but instead, how about you come up with your list? Use these examples as conversation starters to find your version of the Shep Side of service. Start by asking where you fall short or receive complaints. Dig deep to find the root cause of these problems. Then, determine what the opposite of these problems would be. More importantly, what drives the opposite experience? And when you find it, do what’s necessary to make it consistent and predictable. That’s what customers want: a consistent and predictable experience they can count on.

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