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Layoffs, Store Closures & What It Means for Customer Service

Exclusive Interview with Mario Matulich

In a world where corporate decisions often prioritize efficiency, the human element can be the first to suffer. The recent layoffs and restructuring at Starbucks, a brand synonymous with a unique, human-centered “third place” experience, have sent a tremor through the industry. In a wide-ranging interview, we will unpack the strategic and operational implications of these changes. Together, we will explore the difficult balance between trimming corporate fat and maintaining a brand built on emotional connection, diving into how these decisions could affect everything from in-store morale to the long-term loyalty of its customers. Central to the conversation is the following strategic question:

How can a company that has undergone significant corporate restructuring and layoffs maintain and restore a premium, human-centered customer experience?

Today we will explore this question, along with its various aspects with our special guest Mario Matulich, a practice lead at the Customer Management Practice with a diverse commercial understanding in a variety of industry verticals across the customer management sector. He is well versed in market research, product development, sales, marketing, and operations in addition to cross functional management and leadership development.

Without further ado, here is the Q&A I had with Mario on a range of topics regarding the recent Starbucks’ store closures and layoffs and their implications:

The Strategic Context of the Layoffs

Q: Starbucks’ leadership framed the recent restructuring as a necessary step for efficiency and a return to their core mission. From your perspective in customer management, how do these internal changes directly affect the external customer experience in the short and long term?
A: In the short term, layoffs, especially in corporate roles, can create gaps in innovation, brand narrative, and strategic support for store-level teams. Employees on the front lines may feel increased pressure, which can impact morale and the human connection customers expect. In the long term, if these gaps aren’t addressed, the result can be a more transactional experience that erodes both loyalty and trust.

Q: In many companies, layoffs are a last resort. Do you believe this restructuring reflects a failure of previous strategies, or is it a forward-thinking move to adapt to a changing market? What specific market trends do you think are driving these decisions?
A: I don’t view this restructuring as purely a failure of previous strategies, but rather as an attempt to adapt to a changing market. That said, Starbucks’ bigger challenge is restoring its customer experience. Trends such as rising demand for personalized, convenient, and high-value experiences, along with increased competition in the premium coffee market, make it clear that customers are evaluating Starbucks not just on price, but on the overall experience delivered.

Q: The layoffs primarily targeted corporate roles in marketing, technology, and creative. How does the loss of talent in these specific areas impact the company’s ability to innovate and maintain its brand narrative?
A: These areas are critical for innovation, storytelling, and digital experiences that connect customers to the brand. Losing talent here makes it more challenging to maintain a consistent, differentiated experience and risks further disengagement from customers.

Impact on the Human-Centered Experience

Q: Starbucks has long prided itself on the “third place” concept. How does restructuring and potential employee demoralization affect the in-store experience and the emotional connection customers have with the brand?
A: The “third place” experience relies on motivated and supported employees. Restructuring can disrupt this, as uncertainty and low morale may trickle down to in-store interactions. Customers may perceive a decline in warmth, attentiveness, and consistency, which can undermine the emotional connection.

Q: With fewer people in corporate roles, who now owns the responsibility for a seamless customer journey? Does this push more responsibility onto store-level partners, and if so, are they equipped to handle it?
A: While partners remain at the front line, the burden shouldn’t fall solely on them. Leadership must provide tools, guidance, and support to ensure a seamless experience, even as corporate teams shrink.

Q: Customer management is about building long-term loyalty. Do you believe this restructuring risks eroding the trust and loyalty of both employees and customers, and what would your practice recommend to mitigate that risk?
A: Yes, there’s definitely a risk. The key is to go back to the basics and make the experience personal, easy, and fast. Nail those, and customers’ trust and loyalty will .,¬./come back, and the layoffs won’t linger in their minds.

Measuring and Recovering from the Impact

Q: How would you advise Starbucks to measure the real-time impact of these changes on customer satisfaction? Beyond traditional metrics like NPS, what holistic experience measures should they be tracking?
A: Starbucks should look beyond NPS to measure speed of service, personalization, emotional connection, and overall experience consistency. These metrics provide a more comprehensive view of the customer journey and help identify gaps that layoffs may create.

Q: Layoffs can create a perception of instability. What is the most effective way for a company to communicate its recovery plan and rebuild confidence with its customer base after such a significant change?
A: Clear communication focused on restoring the core pillars of customer experience, personalization, ease, and speed, is key. Customers respond when they see tangible improvements in the experience they receive every day.

Q: In your experience, what is the typical timeline for a company to recover from the brand and cultural damage that can follow widespread layoffs? What are the critical milestones they should be focused on achieving?
A: Recovery timelines vary, but visible improvements in customer experience can begin within months if executed strategically. Critical milestones include reestablishing operational consistency, restoring employee morale, and relaunching key brand initiatives that reinforce the premium experience promise.

Future-Proofing for Long-Term Growth

Q: Looking ahead, how can Starbucks utilize this moment of disruption to adopt a more resilient and human-centered organizational model? What key lesson should other companies learn from their experience to avoid similar pitfalls?
A: Starbucks has a chance here to get back to what really made it successful: combining innovative, tech-forward solutions with a human touch, every time. The bigger lesson for any company is clear. Growth and cost-cutting shouldn’t come at the expense of the customer experience. People are willing to pay a premium, but only if the experience feels worth it.

Q: What message does it send that the popular Starbucks Roastery location in Capitol Hill in Seattle is being closed as part of this layoff and restructuring initiative? Why do you think they chose to do it?
A: Closing the Roastery signals a prioritization of efficiency over experiential destinations. While it may make financial sense in the short term, it also serves as a cautionary reminder that iconic, high-touch experiences are critical to maintaining brand differentiation and customer loyalty.

Conclusion

Thank you for the great conversation Mario!

Ultimately, the Starbucks case study is a powerful lesson for every organization. As Matulich’s insights make clear, the pursuit of efficiency and growth cannot come at the expense of the human experience that defines your brand. The true measure of a company’s resilience is not in its stock price, but in the trust it has built with its employees and customers. A single-minded focus on traditional metrics is insufficient; a holistic approach that values emotional connection and employee morale is the only path to sustainable growth. The greatest challenge for Starbucks now is to move beyond reacting to a difficult market and begin proactively shaping its future—not just through cost-cutting, but by recommitting to the core narrative that made it a cultural institution in the first place. The future of any business is not found in a spreadsheet; it’s built on a foundation of human connection, one interaction at a time.

Image credits: Pexels, Mario Matulich

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Customer Experience (CX) Leaders At Verizon, Autodesk And Prudential Are Going Beyond NPS

Transforming Metrics Into Action

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Is Net Promoter Score (NPS) still relevant? How can you transfer insights and data into meaningful actions? And how do you hire the right people to meet your Keep Performance Indicators (KPIs) and success metrics? Those were the questions I asked a panel of esteemed executives at a LinkedIn Live interview.

The guests were Brian Higgins, chief customer experience officer at Verizon Consumer, Elisabeth Zornes, chief customer officer at Autodesk, and Abhii Parakh, head of customer experience at Prudential. Their answers are important to any leader making decisions that impact the customer experience.

NPS Is A Foundational Metric, But Its Role Is Evolving

NPS is a powerful metric when used properly. It’s a simple question that determines whether a customer likes you enough to recommend you. From that single question, a follow-up question could seek further insight or action can be taken to improve what’s not working and elevate what is working. So, the first question I asked was about using NPS as a primary metric.

Parakh led off by saying, “No metric is perfect. Whether it’s NPS or something else, it’s always about a combination of tactics and measurements to get the insights on what our customers and advisors want. … We run the numbers on how much more value is being driven by our promoters or passives versus detractors, and we see a very meaningful connection between the two.” He cited three key benefits: effectively tracking long-term relationships, correlation with growth metrics and providing actionable insights.
Higgins said that Verizon uses NPS to benchmark in two important places. He said, “I want to look at how we are benchmarking against the competition and then against ourselves.” He looks at three areas: one, is Verizon growing or churning? The second is measuring interaction, both digital and with their reps. The third is taking a look at the overall health of the business. And in addition to measuring customer satisfaction, Verizon also uses NPS for employee satisfaction. If employees aren’t happy, the customer is going to feel it.
Zornes uses the measurement to strike a balance between Autodesk’s long-term relationships and direct engagement. She explained, “NPS is a great, long-lasting customer impression measurement for services, solutions and products, but we are in the age of digital first engagements, so we, of course, also measure specific moments in the digital journey along with customer effort scores.” While NPS is a foundational metric at Autodesk, they also use the Deloitte Trust ID to assess transparency, capability, reliability and care.

Bring Numbers To Life Through Employees

Competition turns companies and their products into commodities. All three companies represented on the panel have competition. Assuming the products and services do what they are supposed to do and meet their customers’ needs, what differentiates them from competitors is experience. Often, that experience is driven by employees. The next question focused on the hiring criteria that align with CX KPIs.

Zornes said, “The internal team and culture are really what determines the customer experience for our customers. So it’s absolutely critical we bring the right talent on board and foster it accordingly.”
Higgins focuses on three big areas for hiring. First, Verizon wants a wide range of experience and knowledge. Second, they want employees to act as “CX detectives,” meaning they never let small details get by. Listen and pay attention to the customer feedback and recognize the power of the details. Third, and what Higgins says is most important, is empathy. “A little voice in the back of your head says, ‘I don’t know if the customer is right, but that doesn’t matter. You’ve got to believe in them and make it right for them.’”
Parakh says, “It’s super important for any customer-facing role. But I would also say that in addition to customer experience roles, I think that a customer-obsessed mindset is important for any business role. It’s not just the CX team. I think customer experience is everybody’s job. So, across the company, we need to be looking for folks who have empathy for the customer, a growth mindset and familiarity with CX, as well as business knowledge.”

Rethinking How Technology And People Support CX

As the CX landscape evolves with new technology, so do the roles of employees. How do these three iconic brands rethink talent development to support the team’s ability to deliver an exceptional experience?

Higgins kicked off with a call back to Parakh’s comment about CX being everyone’s job. “If everyone owns CX across the company, it also means they have to get comfortable with the new sets of tools we’re putting in place. I think about AI, gen AI and agentic AI. You have to make sure employees are comfortable with these new tools that are engaging directly with customers.”
Parakh emphasized the importance of keeping up and changing with the times. “You can’t survive for 150 years by doing what you’ve always done. We’ve been through multiple stock market crashes and multiple pandemics, and we’ve done that by constantly reinventing, so when it comes to talent, we have to have the same mindset. Everybody in the company, starting from the top leadership, has to understand where things are going because everything is changing so fast.”
Zornes believes that the future is now. “AI is not coming. AI is here. And with that, there is a huge opportunity to really convert those transactions that we might have done in the past to a more smooth and self-service experience. … Some of the profiles of what jobs looked like in the past, what they look like now and what they will look like in the future continue to evolve.”

The future of customer experience lies at the intersection of meaningful metrics, empathetic teams and evolving technology. As Higgins, Zornes and Parakh shared in their answers, success comes not from any single measurement tool but from creating integrated systems that consistently detect, analyze and improve the interactions customers have with the brand. And when you add the right people who are able to demonstrate empathy, curiosity and adaptability, you have a winning combination of KPIs, technology and people that gets customers to say, “I’ll be back!”

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This article was originally published on Forbes.com